leekohler
Apr 7, 01:56 PM
It can cause a lot of problems when people misinterpret or don't understand it. And lots of modern believers do avoid reading the old testament, especially books of the law like Leviticus and Deuteronomy (because they can be hard to understand).
For me personally, I enjoy reading the narratives of old testament figures like Abraham, David, Joshua, Moses, Solomon, Isaac, etc. etc. These people were far from perfect and much of what we learn from them is in taking note of the mistakes they made. It gives me comfort knowing that if God can use them then he can possibly use me despite the numerous mistakes I make.
Then there are the accounts of people like Job and Joseph. These stories provide such great encouragment as you see how they navigated and overcame such great hardship. Reading their stories provides hope.
Wisdom and poetry books like Psalms and Proverbs are also encouraging and easy to read with their straight forward style and memorable sayings.
I'd encourage everyone to read the Bible. Even if you don't believe it is divinely inspired you can still learn from the collective wisdom of what it contains. It seems that the atheist book the OP started this thread about would contain a good collection of human wisdom and knowledge. I don't know about it being representative of the beliefs of all atheist, but it most likely contains good information from the experiences of those who have gone before us. I would like to think that non-believers could view the Bible in much the same way regardless of whether they believe in God.
Great question lee, thanks for asking. :)
I've read it about sixteen times, thanks. ;)
For me personally, I enjoy reading the narratives of old testament figures like Abraham, David, Joshua, Moses, Solomon, Isaac, etc. etc. These people were far from perfect and much of what we learn from them is in taking note of the mistakes they made. It gives me comfort knowing that if God can use them then he can possibly use me despite the numerous mistakes I make.
Then there are the accounts of people like Job and Joseph. These stories provide such great encouragment as you see how they navigated and overcame such great hardship. Reading their stories provides hope.
Wisdom and poetry books like Psalms and Proverbs are also encouraging and easy to read with their straight forward style and memorable sayings.
I'd encourage everyone to read the Bible. Even if you don't believe it is divinely inspired you can still learn from the collective wisdom of what it contains. It seems that the atheist book the OP started this thread about would contain a good collection of human wisdom and knowledge. I don't know about it being representative of the beliefs of all atheist, but it most likely contains good information from the experiences of those who have gone before us. I would like to think that non-believers could view the Bible in much the same way regardless of whether they believe in God.
Great question lee, thanks for asking. :)
I've read it about sixteen times, thanks. ;)
mikeschmeee
Mar 6, 08:01 PM
I feel like I must visit Vancouver and Canada in general, as I see so many great photos in this thread from here.
Canada is sweet! I'm slowing planning a road trip across Canada from end to end. I'd love to visit places further north but I'll have to stick around close HWY 1 and major cities.
Vancouver is neat but it's UBER EXPENSIVE!!!!! In my opinion that is. I feel everything is overpriced and the city doesn't help out much.
Thanks! That's a small stream that flows into the Seymour River near my house.
This is similarly awesome... I like the layers and clouds as well as the lights from downtown. I'm guessing this was shot from Queen E Park?
Duuuude! Seymour River is so long! I guess I'll start at one end and work my way down until I find your little hidden jem :p
Thanks for the compliments! It really means a lot to me. Yes, Queen Elizabeth Park right beside the restaurant where the statues are. I wish I was like 30 feet tall cause those trees kind of bug me. I heard Kensington Park has a great view as well? I'm gonna check it out tonight perhaps.
Canada is sweet! I'm slowing planning a road trip across Canada from end to end. I'd love to visit places further north but I'll have to stick around close HWY 1 and major cities.
Vancouver is neat but it's UBER EXPENSIVE!!!!! In my opinion that is. I feel everything is overpriced and the city doesn't help out much.
Thanks! That's a small stream that flows into the Seymour River near my house.
This is similarly awesome... I like the layers and clouds as well as the lights from downtown. I'm guessing this was shot from Queen E Park?
Duuuude! Seymour River is so long! I guess I'll start at one end and work my way down until I find your little hidden jem :p
Thanks for the compliments! It really means a lot to me. Yes, Queen Elizabeth Park right beside the restaurant where the statues are. I wish I was like 30 feet tall cause those trees kind of bug me. I heard Kensington Park has a great view as well? I'm gonna check it out tonight perhaps.
Quark
Oct 11, 01:06 PM
There is a very good article in the latest Popular Science (just got it in the mail two days ago -- I assume it is Nov-2002 issue -- when I get home, I'll verify).
The article discusses everything you guys are talking about.
It shows, very clearly, how Mhz and Ghz for benchmarking is not a good idea - it compares AMD to Intel, then throws the PowerPC into the mix.
It's definitely worth a read.
Quark
The article discusses everything you guys are talking about.
It shows, very clearly, how Mhz and Ghz for benchmarking is not a good idea - it compares AMD to Intel, then throws the PowerPC into the mix.
It's definitely worth a read.
Quark
Sydde
Apr 11, 08:02 PM
As I said above, free will is a foundational truth that can't be overlooked. God has given you the ability to reject him and you are simply exercising that choice
Sorry to seem to be excessively contrarian, but even here we have a problem. At least I do, some others will probably disagree with me. Of course in the first place, the "god has given you" assertion is irksome. You are apparently not even able to say "you have free will", it has to come from your god person. I mean, I understand where you are coming from, you have to realize that constantly attributing everything to your god person actually tends to detract from what you are saying.
But more importantly, I think the very concept of free will is grossly overstated. "Free will" is actually a very trivial component of human behavior, the lion's share consists of responding to events, which may be of immediate or deferred effect or consequence. Most of what we do involves following well-established patterns, sometimes adjusting a little for a particular situation.
Now I am aware that this kind of Skinnerian behaviorism is a bit extreme for most people to deal with, but my own personal observations (as I go through life and deal with people and animals) have yet to find fault with it. The reality is that I did not choose to believe what I do just as I am not at liberty to just adopt a different belief set. Perhaps a head trauma could turn me into a Baptist or Kufi, but even then, the choice would not be mine. If your god did make us, this is how it did, and the vaporous notion of free will upon which your religion is based is what you want, not so much how things truly are.
Sorry to seem to be excessively contrarian, but even here we have a problem. At least I do, some others will probably disagree with me. Of course in the first place, the "god has given you" assertion is irksome. You are apparently not even able to say "you have free will", it has to come from your god person. I mean, I understand where you are coming from, you have to realize that constantly attributing everything to your god person actually tends to detract from what you are saying.
But more importantly, I think the very concept of free will is grossly overstated. "Free will" is actually a very trivial component of human behavior, the lion's share consists of responding to events, which may be of immediate or deferred effect or consequence. Most of what we do involves following well-established patterns, sometimes adjusting a little for a particular situation.
Now I am aware that this kind of Skinnerian behaviorism is a bit extreme for most people to deal with, but my own personal observations (as I go through life and deal with people and animals) have yet to find fault with it. The reality is that I did not choose to believe what I do just as I am not at liberty to just adopt a different belief set. Perhaps a head trauma could turn me into a Baptist or Kufi, but even then, the choice would not be mine. If your god did make us, this is how it did, and the vaporous notion of free will upon which your religion is based is what you want, not so much how things truly are.
gwangung
Aug 9, 10:44 AM
Than what did get hacked?
The wireless card that was plugged into the macbook.
I know what youre saying, and they have made it clear, this isnt an attack on macs that allowed this hack. any machine is supposedly open to be 'hacked.'
Yeah, but their presentation was extremely poor. If it was to show that ANY system could be hacked, why choose a set up that is EXTREMELY improbable and unlikely? It weakens their case and encourages folks to dismiss them.
The wireless card that was plugged into the macbook.
I know what youre saying, and they have made it clear, this isnt an attack on macs that allowed this hack. any machine is supposedly open to be 'hacked.'
Yeah, but their presentation was extremely poor. If it was to show that ANY system could be hacked, why choose a set up that is EXTREMELY improbable and unlikely? It weakens their case and encourages folks to dismiss them.
R0bert
Nov 27, 10:21 AM
I predicted this a year ago... :)
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1799795#post1799795
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1799795#post1799795
kdarling
Nov 3, 07:32 AM
Don't blame Adobe for speed
Adobe didn't write Flash. Macromedia did. Adobe bought Macromedia a few years ago (mostly because they thought Microsoft was going to) and has had to rework their products.
Adobe is redoing Flash for mobile
Which is a good thing. Adobe is working with ARM cpu and gpu makers to create this new Flash 10 for mobile devices.
The real Internet uses Flash
Don't get us started again on the webpages (NY Times, National Geographic) that Apple has retouched the Flash out of, before public demos, to hide the fact that Safari can't show them completely.
HTML5 won't stop popup ads
If the W3C hadn't screwed around for so many years, HTML5 could've been more adopted by now. Heck, is there even a video playback codec standard yet?
In any case, ad companies will always figure out something, whether it's Flash, DHTML, or whatever.
Don't like it? Most likely will have a switch
Who doesn't think that Flash would be an option that the user can turn off?
Adobe didn't write Flash. Macromedia did. Adobe bought Macromedia a few years ago (mostly because they thought Microsoft was going to) and has had to rework their products.
Adobe is redoing Flash for mobile
Which is a good thing. Adobe is working with ARM cpu and gpu makers to create this new Flash 10 for mobile devices.
The real Internet uses Flash
Don't get us started again on the webpages (NY Times, National Geographic) that Apple has retouched the Flash out of, before public demos, to hide the fact that Safari can't show them completely.
HTML5 won't stop popup ads
If the W3C hadn't screwed around for so many years, HTML5 could've been more adopted by now. Heck, is there even a video playback codec standard yet?
In any case, ad companies will always figure out something, whether it's Flash, DHTML, or whatever.
Don't like it? Most likely will have a switch
Who doesn't think that Flash would be an option that the user can turn off?
ksgant
May 5, 07:11 AM
you know this isn't real, right? This is one of those BS stories that Apple begins to spread internally to see where the leaks are...to test their employees. I'm sure it was only told to a few people in the organization to see where they were coming from.
I highly doubt you're going to see a 3D iPad any time soon.
I highly doubt you're going to see a 3D iPad any time soon.
ZoomZoomZoom
Sep 6, 09:24 AM
How does the NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 128MB compare to the ATI X1600? Is it faster, better, and or more reliable? I am assuming this is also underclocked?
This has been answered several times in the past... 2 minutes...
http://www.apple.com/imac/graphics.html
This has been answered several times in the past... 2 minutes...
http://www.apple.com/imac/graphics.html
tekmoe
Sep 4, 09:22 AM
And when was the last time ThinkSecret got a rumor right???
they had it right with the macbook...sorta.
they had it right with the macbook...sorta.
rdlink
Mar 29, 03:08 AM
No, Apple is a hardware company that develops the OS that runs on its hardware.
How about this? Apple is an ecosystem company. Their business model depends on the user experience being sound, solid and pleasant. Trusting the core OS or the hardware to other companies makes it difficult to guarantee that sound, solid, pleasant experience. Their hardware business relies on their software business, which relies on their hardware business. Without one, the other doesn't work. Fostering software developers is their way of maintaining relevance (and these days, dominance).
They handle the hardware part with hard nosed and shrewd business practices, such as locking up long term contracts for displays, etc.
How about this? Apple is an ecosystem company. Their business model depends on the user experience being sound, solid and pleasant. Trusting the core OS or the hardware to other companies makes it difficult to guarantee that sound, solid, pleasant experience. Their hardware business relies on their software business, which relies on their hardware business. Without one, the other doesn't work. Fostering software developers is their way of maintaining relevance (and these days, dominance).
They handle the hardware part with hard nosed and shrewd business practices, such as locking up long term contracts for displays, etc.
GovtLawyer
Dec 5, 10:11 AM
[According to the report, "Abbey Road" was the best-selling album in the United States, while "Here Comes The Sun" topped the song charts.
It should be interesting to note that when the general public thinks of The Beatles, they think of Lennon/McCartney songs. "Here Comes the Sun" which appears to be the best selling Beatles song on iTunes, was written by George Harrison.
It should be interesting to note that when the general public thinks of The Beatles, they think of Lennon/McCartney songs. "Here Comes the Sun" which appears to be the best selling Beatles song on iTunes, was written by George Harrison.
monsterinawc
Aug 3, 10:24 PM
i love it how apple brands everything
thats why its such a great company
if you look at the crates in the foreground, you can see the Apple logo on each side of the crates
thats why its such a great company
if you look at the crates in the foreground, you can see the Apple logo on each side of the crates
nconnella
Mar 11, 02:47 PM
Oh god, please let this be true. I almost wish Macrumors didn't post this because it seems like a very unreliable source... It's gotten my hopes up and I'd almost rather not know and just be surprised when it happens! Fingers crossed that the wait is almost over...
kavika411
Mar 29, 05:03 PM
And to look at it in a slightly different way ...
Would it have helped the United States to have some country intervene and determine the outcome in our civil war?
I don't know, citizenzen. Tell me: would it have helped the United States to have some country intervene the outcome in our civil war?
At the moment, I'm more interested if Piano's military intervention criteria apply to the Republic of Congo.
Would it have helped the United States to have some country intervene and determine the outcome in our civil war?
I don't know, citizenzen. Tell me: would it have helped the United States to have some country intervene the outcome in our civil war?
At the moment, I'm more interested if Piano's military intervention criteria apply to the Republic of Congo.
Gem�tlichkeit
Nov 24, 10:04 AM
I want to know out of those numbers, who are new beatles listeners and who's buying the same album over adn over again.
Reminds me of the people who own every media version of StarWars.
Reminds me of the people who own every media version of StarWars.
heels98
Aug 24, 03:39 PM
I actually did get confirmation that my battery qualified. Took me awhile to get onto the page, but it finally worked. After that, it let me fill out a form to send me a new battery.
I'm not too bummed this has happened; after all, my battery is only holding about 90% of its original charge. However, it's funny that I've already had a battery recalled for my 18-month old PowerBook (15-inch) so this will be the third battery for me.
I'm not too bummed this has happened; after all, my battery is only holding about 90% of its original charge. However, it's funny that I've already had a battery recalled for my 18-month old PowerBook (15-inch) so this will be the third battery for me.
3N16MA
Nov 23, 09:45 PM
It's not wasting money. Buying a digital copy results in higher quality than ripping the original vinyl albums, and buying remastered releases results in better quality than original releases.
Just because you don't have the ability to understand the importance or the appeal of Beatles music doesn't mean those who can are wasting money by buying what they like. It's really amazing how many posters like to criticize something, just because they don't personally like it. That's why millions of musicians can be successful, because there are so many musical tastes.
Like what you like. Buy what you want. But don't be so infantile as to attack those whose tastes differ from yours.
You quoted me before I added my final part at the bottom (it was the whole point to my post which I accidentally deleted changing the font size.). I was one of the people who thought everyone already owned their music who really wanted it. Apparently having The Beatles on iTunes appealed to a new generation of fans. I'm sure some people repurchased for the sake of supporting the Beatles. I would not doubt they have fans that dedicated. All your other stuff about understanding the importance of the Beatles is just gibberish to me. People love to overestimate their importance and act like they are the greatest thing to happen in the past 100 years.
Just because you don't have the ability to understand the importance or the appeal of Beatles music doesn't mean those who can are wasting money by buying what they like. It's really amazing how many posters like to criticize something, just because they don't personally like it. That's why millions of musicians can be successful, because there are so many musical tastes.
Like what you like. Buy what you want. But don't be so infantile as to attack those whose tastes differ from yours.
You quoted me before I added my final part at the bottom (it was the whole point to my post which I accidentally deleted changing the font size.). I was one of the people who thought everyone already owned their music who really wanted it. Apparently having The Beatles on iTunes appealed to a new generation of fans. I'm sure some people repurchased for the sake of supporting the Beatles. I would not doubt they have fans that dedicated. All your other stuff about understanding the importance of the Beatles is just gibberish to me. People love to overestimate their importance and act like they are the greatest thing to happen in the past 100 years.
Taz Mangus
Apr 15, 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by AndroidfoLife
You are aware you just paid extra for only one think and that is MAC os. By placing windows on it you kind of defeat the purpose of buying a MAC. You wasted a lot of money in fact. Never buy a mac for hardware...Because they do not have the best.
Originally Posted by AndroidfoLife
Ok you keep bring up quality. You are aware that Apple does not Produce the highest quality computers.
You are aware that this is a Mac enthusist website.
You are aware you just paid extra for only one think and that is MAC os. By placing windows on it you kind of defeat the purpose of buying a MAC. You wasted a lot of money in fact. Never buy a mac for hardware...Because they do not have the best.
Originally Posted by AndroidfoLife
Ok you keep bring up quality. You are aware that Apple does not Produce the highest quality computers.
You are aware that this is a Mac enthusist website.
Roessnakhan
May 5, 11:44 AM
If its something I can disable then I have no problem with it, but for those that want that sort of thing they can use it - everyone's happy!
MacSA
Jan 11, 03:58 PM
There is something in the air....what could that mean?
Wireless..............something
Wireless..............something
mdriftmeyer
Nov 16, 06:10 PM
I get the point. Really.
He might be a great developer - but his app crashes consistently for me.
He is philosophically opposed to the process. Tough. QA takes time.
I don't get to write and deploy code - I watch it go through committees and batteries of tests. Reviews are part of life - even within Firefox I'm sure Mozilla reviews code.
He should test it before sending it in. No loops that way.
To me he is a whiner.
He should have strict bounds checking, rich exception handling before he submits his social app--I don't know how we'll survive without it.
He might be a great developer - but his app crashes consistently for me.
He is philosophically opposed to the process. Tough. QA takes time.
I don't get to write and deploy code - I watch it go through committees and batteries of tests. Reviews are part of life - even within Firefox I'm sure Mozilla reviews code.
He should test it before sending it in. No loops that way.
To me he is a whiner.
He should have strict bounds checking, rich exception handling before he submits his social app--I don't know how we'll survive without it.
HecubusPro
Sep 4, 01:24 PM
It doesn't matter...the new nanos wouldn't qualify for the promotion.
Same thing happend last year...the nanos were released before the free iPod mini promo ended.
But if they release the new nano's at the same price as the previous ones, I don't see a reason why they wouldn't include those same priced nano's in the promotion. If they're more expensive, they'll treat it as the other iPods in the promotion--you just have make up the rest of the cost.
Same thing happend last year...the nanos were released before the free iPod mini promo ended.
But if they release the new nano's at the same price as the previous ones, I don't see a reason why they wouldn't include those same priced nano's in the promotion. If they're more expensive, they'll treat it as the other iPods in the promotion--you just have make up the rest of the cost.
gkarris
Mar 18, 10:09 PM
My favorite:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500
Sounds very revolutionary to me.
hey - heres an idea Apple - rather than enter the world of gimmicks and toys, why dont you spend a little more time sorting out your pathetically expensive and crap server line up?
or are you really aiming to become a glorified consumer gimmicks firm?
uhhh, yes!
LOL...
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500
Sounds very revolutionary to me.
hey - heres an idea Apple - rather than enter the world of gimmicks and toys, why dont you spend a little more time sorting out your pathetically expensive and crap server line up?
or are you really aiming to become a glorified consumer gimmicks firm?
uhhh, yes!
LOL...